Just watched Season 5, Episode 16 of Chasing Classic Cars with Wayne Carini. It was cringe inducing.

"Trevor Slattery, ACTOR" (anacostiabikecompany) 10/16/2014 at 10:55 • Filed to: None

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The name of episode was "Wayne's Apprentice" and Carini was at Mcpherson College, checking out the Antique Car Restoration program, the only 4 year degree for such things in America right now. He was interviewing for two, maybe three guys to apprentice at his shop. At the end of the interview he gave the interviewees a quick test. He handed them the following parts and had them identity them:

While these guys were body specialists, the answers were a huge ball of fail. I was shocked. It is a train wreck totally worth watching.

Sn210 > Trevor Slattery, ACTOR 10/16/2014 at 10:58

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I really wish that episode had aired when I was in high school

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Trevor Slattery, ACTOR 10/16/2014 at 10:58

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"restoration specialist" students can't identify a damn set of points, let along a rotor...

camaroboy68ss > Trevor Slattery, ACTOR 10/16/2014 at 10:59

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wow that's s load of fail alright. I know what these are, it's one of the first things my grandpa taught me.

Mattbob > Trevor Slattery, ACTOR 10/16/2014 at 11:02

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that middle one, is it part of points ignition? Asking because I've never worked on points. The bottom one is just a cap right? Top one is real easy though.

camaroboy68ss > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 10/16/2014 at 11:02

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don't forget the condenser

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Trevor Slattery, ACTOR 10/16/2014 at 11:03

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Damn I work on cars all the time and only know what the first one is...

505Turbeaux > Trevor Slattery, ACTOR 10/16/2014 at 11:05

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I know Wayne, and while he is adept at what he does and has made alot of money, he is still an asshole

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > camaroboy68ss 10/16/2014 at 11:06

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Well, they're all of a piece, really. The points are the biggest "what the hell is this"? part for anybody who isn't mechanically inclined, I'd wager, which is why I hit it first. The condenser might at least be ID'ed as "some type of capacitor" if the student knows a damn thing about electrics. The rotor... there is no excuse. None.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Mattbob 10/16/2014 at 11:07

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Rotor, mechanical points, condenser (works with points, usually replaced with the same unit as electronic points).

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 10/16/2014 at 11:08

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Then again, you're not a "trained restoration specialist".

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 10/16/2014 at 11:10

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Thats true. I google image searched to find out what the bottom two are and worked out why I've never seen them. I only work on family and friends cars which are all modernish and have EFI. Been a long time since I touched a car with a distributor.

Mattbob > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 10/16/2014 at 11:11

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and by condenser you mean a high voltage capacitor, correct?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 10/16/2014 at 11:14

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Plenty of cars had EFI and an e-dizzy up until the mid to late 90s. IOW, rotors should be easy, points and condenser somewhat less so. Anyone who hasn't learned what those are after four years of allegedly specialized study, though - take 'em out back and shoot 'em. It's the kind, gentle thing to do.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Mattbob 10/16/2014 at 11:15

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Yep. It's there to protect the points, basically.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 10/16/2014 at 11:18

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The oldest car I've touched in the last 4 years or so is a 2002 and is all electronic. Rotors are pretty recognisable, most car guys have at least seen a basic diagram of a distributor, but man a 4 year course and they had no idea. How does that even happen. To be honest with restoration you learn much better on the job as an apprentice to a veteran or something.

Mattbob > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 10/16/2014 at 11:21

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It also creates an oscillation that extends the spark. Looking at the circuit, there are better ways to protect the points, but most would kind of negate the purpose of the circuit and all would add more cost. A simple snubber works well here. Sorry, I'm a bored EE.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 10/16/2014 at 11:23

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Well, I mean, I can understand how it happened, as I went to Georgia Tech and routinely ran into other students - *MEs*, even - who didn't know shit from shinola for how any common mechanical systems worked. One or more of which was in my capstone design class as a senior - just no real world connection to what they had or supposedly had learned.

I'd have hoped a trade college would have a better grasp on things. Vain hope indeed.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Mattbob 10/16/2014 at 11:25

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I figured I wouldn't link you the "for babies" explanation, as you looked like you could handle yourself. Your userpic was a tiny hint in that regard.

Mattbob > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 10/16/2014 at 11:29

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'preciate the confidence sir. On another note, a "guess this part" would be a fun game on oppo. I feel like it has been done before, but it's always fun.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Mattbob 10/16/2014 at 11:32

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Here's a fun "what's this?" I'm quite sure Camaroboy or Crowmolly would answer within seconds, but some of the larger community might take a minute or two.

McMike > Trevor Slattery, ACTOR 10/16/2014 at 11:35

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I even know that's a Bosch unit.

Aaron James > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 10/16/2014 at 11:41

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Oil pump driveshaft

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Aaron James 10/16/2014 at 11:43

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Jawohl. Corn-fed 'merican Ferd one, at that.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 10/16/2014 at 11:49

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I suppose I see what you mean. I'm in my final year of an engineering degree and in second year we worked on internal combustion. A disturbing amount didnt know anything at all, even the basics of a petrol engine that air and fuel are drawn in and burnt then expelled as exhaust.

camaroboy68ss > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 10/16/2014 at 12:05

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yeah, even a distributor coverted to electronic still has a rotor but cars from the late 80s and newer all went to coil packs at some point. The points pictured are an odd set but I'm used to really only dealing with chevy points. But I can see how it can look extremely odd to someone.

Trevor Slattery, ACTOR > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 10/16/2014 at 12:15

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I was about to turn off the TV and leave for work, then the first guy was handed the rotor (in black) and said, "Um...I THINK it is an electrical part...," my jaw dropped and I went and sat back down to watch the fail unfold. The low point was just as you said, the points (see what I did there?) One dude, I swear to God, said, "is it part of a door latch mechanism?" At which point I actually would have acted out your gif if I were not on the ground floor of my house.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > camaroboy68ss 10/16/2014 at 12:20

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In case the watermark doesn't help, those points in the picture are Lucas. IOW, I'm well accustomed to seeing that style in the Rovers - you'd also see 'em in an MGB or whatever else.

MonkeePuzzle > McMike 10/16/2014 at 12:28

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gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Trevor Slattery, ACTOR 10/16/2014 at 21:54

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That scene made my head hurt.